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Old 09-18-2007, 10:58 PM   #1
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Bye bye rust!

**Originally posted by "1bad6t" on FordMuscle.com**

WE CANNOT STRESS HOW IMPORTANT IT IS THAT YOU FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS AS WRITTEN IN THIS PROCESS!

Got a battery charger, a bucket, and some washing soda? If so you're equipped to bring rusty parts back to life.



This has been around for a while, but I though I will share anyway.

What you need:
  • A non-conducting container - a large plastic bucket works really well.
  • Battery charger - big is better, however even one able to produce 6 to 10 amps should do.
  • Sacrificial electrodes. Concrete reinforcing rod (rebar) works well
    Do not use stainless steel! The results are a health hazard and illegal. (Contains Hexavalent Chromate)
  • Arm and Hammer LAUNDRY soda, also called washing soda. (see below for details)
  • Wire and/or cables for connecting electrodes together.
  • Water
  • Small lengths of small chain (used to suspend the rusty parts in solution) or some other means to suspend the part to clean into the solution.
    Washing soda is in the laundry section of your grocery store. It comes in a yellow box, made by Arm & Hammer, It's NOT baking soda or it is not Borax, they are different chemical compounds.
Using a plastic, or non-conductive bucket (not metal), mix a solution of 5 gallons water to 1/3 to 1/2 cup laundry soda (washing soda). Mix well so all soda is dissolved. Adding more soda will not make it go faster. Do not try to use other salts. You won't get better results and dangerous effects may occur. Caustic soda, for example, is far too corrosive. Solutions of ordinary table salt can generate chlorine gas (toxic) at the positive electrode (anode). Clean the electrodes so they aren't too rusty - especially at the top ends - they need to make good electrical contact with your wire or cable AND with the water. Place electrodes in bucket around sides so the ends stick up above the water level. Use clamps or some means to hold them in place around the perimeter of the inside of the bucket or container so that they cannot move freely or fall into center of bucket. The electrodes must not touch the part(s) to be cleaned, which will be suspended in center of bucket. Whatever you use, it shouldn't be copper, and will get messy if it gets into your cleaning solution. Tie the electrodes together with wire or cables. All electrodes need to be tied together. This will become the grid. Since the cleaning process is somewhat line of sight it's best to surround the part to be cleaned to some extent with the electrodes. Suspend part to be cleaned into bucket so it hangs in the middle, not touching bottom, and not touching electrodes. I place a piece of rebar across top of bucket (see photo below) and bolt a small hook (or chain) to the part to be cleaned and suspends the part into solution below. The part to clean then becomes the "cathode". Attach battery charger - place NEGATIVE LEAD (this is critical!!) on the piece that is to be cleaned. Attach POSITIVE, or RED lead of charger, to electrode grid. Make sure electrodes and part to be cleaned are not touching each other. Do not get this backwards! If you do, you'll use metal from your part to de-rust your electrodes instead of the other way around. Now turn on the battery charger. If the current is too high on the battery chargers current meter there are a number of things you can do to reduce it:
  • Increase the distance between the part and the anode
  • Dilute the solution by adding more water
  • If you have a 6/12 volt charger set it to the 10amps @ 6volts setting
Within seconds, you should see a lot of tiny bubbles rising from the part suspended in the mixture. Do not do this inside, or in a closed area those bubbles are the component parts of water - H2O - hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen will burn explosively …Remember the military made bombs out of hydrogen. The rust and gunk will bubble up to the top and form a gunky layer. More gunk will form on the electrodes after some amount of use, they will need to be cleaned and/or replaced - the electrodes give up metal over time. That's why re-bar is such a nice choice - it's cheap. Now you just have to wait.

The time required to clean a part will depend on many variables:
  • size of the part
  • current used
  • how badly rusted the part is
The process is self-halting; when there is no more rust to remove, the reaction stops. This is handy because you don't have to monitor it, and because you can do large parts where they are not totally submersed at one time without worrying about lines in the final part. If necessary leave the operation on overnight so long as it is not in an enclosed space (see the safety precautions below). You may have to move the piece occasionally for better cleaning as the best cleaning is done on the part that is in direct view of the anode (line of sight). If a piece is too large to fit in the bath you will obviously have to rotate it at some point. It may also be necessary to take the part out of the bath and clean it with a wire brush to remove some of the now loose scale which will look like a dark sludge. Once you are done, the part should be dried immediately, the part is very susceptible to surface rust after being removed from the solution. There will be a fine layer of dark grey or black residue on the part that can be easily removed, a scrub pad and wire brush works great. Once it is removed the part can be primed or painted as needed. You can pour the waste solution on the lawn and it won't hurt it. Do watch out for ornamental shrubs, which may not like iron rich soil.

Safety Precautions:
  • Make sure no spills can get to the battery charger. (Electrocution potential!)
  • The leads from the charger are relatively safe, but you may still get a bit of a shock if you put your hands in the solution or touch the electrodes while the charger is running.
  • Turn off the current before making adjustments to the setup. Just as a "spark" can cause a charging battery to explode in your face, this process produces similar gases because this process splits water into hydrogen gas (at the negative electrode) and oxygen (at the positive electrode).
  • Hydrogen will burn explosively if ignited. All flames, cigarettes, torches, etc. must be removed from the area, and sparks caused by touching the leads together must be avoided. The work should be performed outside or in a well ventilated area to remove these gases safely.
  • Washing soda solutions are alkaline and will irritate the skin and eyes. Use eye protection and gloves. Immediately wash off any solution spilled or splashed onto your body.
Figure#1 I used 5/16"x5/8" bolts and 3/8"x12" rebar


Figure#2 Flat washers on both sides of the plastic bucket and 10 gauge wire connected to each bar


Figure#3 Guinea pig side 1 and 2


Figure#4 Setup and ready to plug in the charger


Figure#5 Within seconds bubbles start to form


Figure#6 3 hours into the bath I decided to see the damage


Figure#7 This is it after drying it off with a shop rag


Figure#8 5 minutes of labour with a wire brush


Figure#9 Finished product before painting or powder coating.
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Old 09-19-2007, 12:35 AM   #2
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Re: Bye bye rust!

Too bad they dont make a tank big enough for your car! LOL
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Old 09-19-2007, 08:37 AM   #3
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Too bad they dont make a tank big enough for your car! LOL
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:13 PM   #4
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Too bad they dont make a tank big enough for your car! LOL
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Old 09-19-2007, 02:15 PM   #5
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There are tanks that big out there, and companies that dip car bodies. I've seen them use those things on shows like American Hot Rod a few years back and even cars that look half decent come back looking like swiss cheese.
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That's cool.
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Great info here!!! Thanks OP...
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